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Who's supposed to be c. 27 among the white guys in the first seasons?

Jack? Sawyer? Let's see if they name it after him.

Ben was born off-island and is already a grownup in the '80s when he liquidates the Initiative. Actually he may have arrived, or been about to, in '77.

I'm assuming it's not Boone or Charlie.

Ben decided to kill John (apparently) to prevent him from telling Sun that Jin was still alive--something he himself tells her to stop her from shooting him.

The issue of sides is unclear again; it's in the writers' interest to keep it reversing, too. You'd think Widmore's probably on Jacob's side, at the moment, but Eloise was working with Ben--if she and Widmore worked together he'd have told her not to trust Ben, surely?

The statue from the back seemed a bit animal.

They stepped up the pace in the last couple episodes, which were awful, I hope simply because they realized they needed a certain number of episodes free to bring things home properly. Tonight things seem to have stopped sucking, knock on wood.

What building were Cesar, John and Ben in, on the 2007 island?

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they were on the hydra station.
and it's not necessarily 2007 there.

we know who jack's father is.
and there's also the matter of not being in the same temporal space as yourself a la charlotte.

ben killed john because john had to die. he just needed to squeeze some information out of him first.

eta: boone and carlisle are the wrong age.

Edited 2009-03-05 04:10 (UTC)

ben didnt get anything spectacular out of him before killing him though. maybe john couldn't commit suicide.

was ben really that concerned that sun wouldn't go back with them otherwise? it seems that she would anyway.

maybe it's jacob.

You're assuming Ben needed her to go back at the time--Ben's acting like he cares about getting people back on the island, but there's reason to think that's no longer his major motivation, whereas it does seem to be his worst enemy's at the moment. If he's just after Penny or Widmore, he may have wanted her for some other reason. There was that unexplained violent altercation that marked him up, maybe related to what Kate refused to tell Jack about.

The music in the Ben-John scene strongly implied Ben's attention was wholly absorbed in the ring/Jin issue, and that his string-twangy sinister turn came then.

Good catch about Jacob. Didn't even think of that--he's not in the absolute present, but maybe that doesn't matter, since he's Wrong anyhow. Maybe he's a possible Past entity that must be stopped, not Future. And anyway, maybe it's not his birth that's the problem. Maybe it's his climbing up into the statue control chamber and flying into the sun and drinking it like Powerade and maneuvering the stars into spelling the numbers and drinking the blood of the unborn.

i never really thought about -- what if the ghosts arent with jacob at all, but are somehow interfering. we tend to believe them cause theyre, you know, dead and their mere presence lends some mystical authority. but something about christian in that last scene makes me wonder if he's actually speaking for jacob (whoever, indeed, that is) or if smokemonster/ghosts/alpert have their own agenda. we still dont know who's on whose side because there's still too much information being withheld.

Might be worth looking into the several Locke/Christian meetings--did Christian ever actually ever say his name was Jacob? He certainly doesn't sound like whatever said 'help me.'

There was weird 'truce' talk back at the Russian guy's house they blew up in season 3--Locke et al. were accused of violating it or something. I guess that means there's still some Dharma people left on the 3rd Millennium island.

The airline boats are spanking new at the camp in or after early 2005. But yes, not necessarily 2007--just made sense to me that if some had gone back (and popped around in space some) the others simply hadn't.

We don't know who the baby's father is. And some or all of the 1977 people are within their own lifetimes, though not near their other selves (unless the baby's Sawyer).

Re. John & Ben: another maybe. John has to die according to certain parties--Ben not necessarily being one of them. But John continuing to live did mean Ben had no control over Sun's knowing about Jin, therefore over her revenge impulses.

Boone and Charlie older than 27, on crashing? I don't know that either--but it seems like you could rule them out based on their profound irrelevance to the extant plot threads.