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Harris stopped the park from being destroyed by Arnold, but feels the Maze that Arnold set up will a. let him know what the purpose of the park is, b. make it that visitors can actually die. But wouldn't he suspect it might instead be another attempt to destroy it? He doesn't know anything about the consciousness stuff, clearly, so can't surmise, as we might, that as soon as full consciousness has been achieved and demonstrated there's no point to Westworld in its creator's eyes - the awakened robot(s) going out into the real world becomes the big deal, one assumes. But he should at least wonder whether this "purpose" lure might not pay off with answers but instead just mayhem - shutting off the no-killing-humans directive would cause the park to be closed down pretty rapidly, after all. Even if Arnold had originally made the quest for some other purpose he could easily have sabotaged it after he turned against the whole project. Harris may not know, as we do, that Ford considers Arnold to have been so careful that his own death was part of a plan, but does think of him as the park's mastermind and having recorded his secret purpose for it deep inside it, so some suspicion's called for. Or is he so close to suicidally bored that he's fine either way?
Harris intimates that Ford may be a robot.
Harris thinks Ford has sought him out because he doesn't want the secret discovered. Whereas what Ford seems to really be doing is systematically visiting everyone still around from the park's early days - Old Bill, Dolores, Harris. All the people who might actually know Arnold? Though Harris may somehow have stopped him from destroying the park without meeting him, or even knowing he existed; one scenario: suppose Harris had been the intended victim of a seemingly haywire robot, like Dolores, in fact "helping" its creator by attacking a visitor, and Harris stopped this scheme to close down the park by both not dying and not suing. Just saying there's still room for Arnold to be a recent plant, with Dolores or someone else telling Harris the new version at the start of the Maze quest. I doubt it, since Dolores talks about Arnold when in analysis mode, but Ford of course has access to her memory banks.
Reason I'm not letting that go is that the show seems very committed to having us think Ford isn't behind any of this, when we know from the Bernard-incepting scene that he is. His Dolores interview could indicate that he's confused and worried about these Arnold voices, but could instead be just to confirm that a retro-engineered Arnold is lodged in her memory, or to make her access that memory (assuming he knows she can now stay conscious in analysis mode and sleep mode) so as to learn it exists, or to see if she's able to hide from him that she's hearing a voice despite direct orders to tell (which may mean the voice is his, or at least programmed by him).
Dolores has reprogrammed herself to be a gunfighter.
So what point is there to Ford's having interviewed Harris? It gives him a chance to restore Teddy with some verbal commands, so possibly that. Sending Teddy to Wyatt had been an important part of his new storyline, and maybe not just so that Dolores would need to figure out how to be independent, but so that they could meet again on the Maze quest. Maybe Ford would have freed Teddy from the tree himself, or found some other means, and is just talking to Harris to make sure he won't drag him too far away to be useful.
There's no command to make robots defend Ford, even against visitors, they just leap right to it.
It's boring if Felix is just trying to show he can revive "dead" robot birds in order to get s promotion. What's much less boring is if that's an actual dead bird and he's testing his suspicion that that panel thing can actually revive it, which Ford near-gratuitously mentions in the pilot is something that might be around the corner for this future society. Harris draws our attention to how close to human the robots have become; he assumes it's because that's cheaper (!), but we can doubt that's the real reason, especially given that conversation about the board's secret intentions between the QA woman and the hack.
Maeve may just know Felix' name because she's been playing possum in order to listen in for at least one cycle, and has chosen this moment to reveal herself because she now has dirt on him (the bird) or because he seems to be a nice guy (the bird, how he comes across compared to his horrible coworker). Deliberately getting herself killed like last week, since that's not a normal part of her loop, is thus about information-gathering, not nihilism. Though she could also be hearing Arnold.
The fact that it's the young-Ford boy who helps Harris suggests he's pretty close to that black church spire thing, thus possibly the end of the Maze. It also may mean Ford has sent the boy, either to prompt Harris or make him explain what he's doing. It's possible Ford hadn't even realized Harris was on the quest till now, and is still trying to decide what to do about this development.
Seems like Lawrence is essential to the Maze quest, since both versions (escape the Confederates, scalp the croupier) seem to lead to him?
People who might wish to steal data from the park include its own board (meaning the QA woman may have commandeered the woodcutter to stop Bernard and Elsie from realizing he's a spy (and note that cutting his head off would also prevent the satellite thingie from being found by Behavior, so the security guy may be in on that)). Whitehat's boss is another possibility, since he seems to be gathering info on it while considering buying into it, or maybe even taking it over. Can't really think of a third possibility, unless maybe Harris, whose original source about the Maze still hasn't been revealed.
Kind of a lame episode, eh? That was one giant, expensive, boringly irrelevant orgy dominating its middle. Seems implausible that robots can hit visitors in the face - doesn't thst reliabky lead to concussions, even death, in a small but statistically reliable number of cases? Noses smashed into brains and whatnot?
Didn't catch its title, will look into that.
I have no clue why Dolores is seeing Doloreses, or what the fortuneteller stuff was supposed to be about.
The greyhound anecdote applies to Ford himself on one level (at last achieved what he wanted but shouldn't have and this got or will get someone hurt - e.g. the conscious entity he's at last created or those it destroys). Could easily apply to a robot or more than one, though - he's programmed them to want what they can't get, and if they're taken out of their loop (greyhounds run in literal loops, after all) they may be able to - e.g. Dolores with freedom and self-discovery - and that might get someone hurt.
Bill can't connect with him, Dolores refuses to by lying, Harris tries to attack him and dismisses him as secondary. Yeah, I think the show's trying to make us feel he's up to some last scheme but that the consciousness/Arnold stuff, though maybe awakened by his reverie update, is not his doing and may in fact ruin his plans. Whereas in actuality nearly everything going on, possibly including Harris' involvement, is all part of one single, pretty much lifelong project.
Harris stopped the park from being destroyed by Arnold, but feels the Maze that Arnold set up will a. let him know what the purpose of the park is, b. make it that visitors can actually die. But wouldn't he suspect it might instead be another attempt to destroy it? He doesn't know anything about the consciousness stuff, clearly, so can't surmise, as we might, that as soon as full consciousness has been achieved and demonstrated there's no point to Westworld in its creator's eyes - the awakened robot(s) going out into the real world becomes the big deal, one assumes. But he should at least wonder whether this "purpose" lure might not pay off with answers but instead just mayhem - shutting off the no-killing-humans directive would cause the park to be closed down pretty rapidly, after all. Even if Arnold had originally made the quest for some other purpose he could easily have sabotaged it after he turned against the whole project. Harris may not know, as we do, that Ford considers Arnold to have been so careful that his own death was part of a plan, but does think of him as the park's mastermind and having recorded his secret purpose for it deep inside it, so some suspicion's called for. Or is he so close to suicidally bored that he's fine either way?
Harris intimates that Ford may be a robot.
Harris thinks Ford has sought him out because he doesn't want the secret discovered. Whereas what Ford seems to really be doing is systematically visiting everyone still around from the park's early days - Old Bill, Dolores, Harris. All the people who might actually know Arnold? Though Harris may somehow have stopped him from destroying the park without meeting him, or even knowing he existed; one scenario: suppose Harris had been the intended victim of a seemingly haywire robot, like Dolores, in fact "helping" its creator by attacking a visitor, and Harris stopped this scheme to close down the park by both not dying and not suing. Just saying there's still room for Arnold to be a recent plant, with Dolores or someone else telling Harris the new version at the start of the Maze quest. I doubt it, since Dolores talks about Arnold when in analysis mode, but Ford of course has access to her memory banks.
Reason I'm not letting that go is that the show seems very committed to having us think Ford isn't behind any of this, when we know from the Bernard-incepting scene that he is. His Dolores interview could indicate that he's confused and worried about these Arnold voices, but could instead be just to confirm that a retro-engineered Arnold is lodged in her memory, or to make her access that memory (assuming he knows she can now stay conscious in analysis mode and sleep mode) so as to learn it exists, or to see if she's able to hide from him that she's hearing a voice despite direct orders to tell (which may mean the voice is his, or at least programmed by him).
Dolores has reprogrammed herself to be a gunfighter.
So what point is there to Ford's having interviewed Harris? It gives him a chance to restore Teddy with some verbal commands, so possibly that. Sending Teddy to Wyatt had been an important part of his new storyline, and maybe not just so that Dolores would need to figure out how to be independent, but so that they could meet again on the Maze quest. Maybe Ford would have freed Teddy from the tree himself, or found some other means, and is just talking to Harris to make sure he won't drag him too far away to be useful.
There's no command to make robots defend Ford, even against visitors, they just leap right to it.
It's boring if Felix is just trying to show he can revive "dead" robot birds in order to get s promotion. What's much less boring is if that's an actual dead bird and he's testing his suspicion that that panel thing can actually revive it, which Ford near-gratuitously mentions in the pilot is something that might be around the corner for this future society. Harris draws our attention to how close to human the robots have become; he assumes it's because that's cheaper (!), but we can doubt that's the real reason, especially given that conversation about the board's secret intentions between the QA woman and the hack.
Maeve may just know Felix' name because she's been playing possum in order to listen in for at least one cycle, and has chosen this moment to reveal herself because she now has dirt on him (the bird) or because he seems to be a nice guy (the bird, how he comes across compared to his horrible coworker). Deliberately getting herself killed like last week, since that's not a normal part of her loop, is thus about information-gathering, not nihilism. Though she could also be hearing Arnold.
The fact that it's the young-Ford boy who helps Harris suggests he's pretty close to that black church spire thing, thus possibly the end of the Maze. It also may mean Ford has sent the boy, either to prompt Harris or make him explain what he's doing. It's possible Ford hadn't even realized Harris was on the quest till now, and is still trying to decide what to do about this development.
Seems like Lawrence is essential to the Maze quest, since both versions (escape the Confederates, scalp the croupier) seem to lead to him?
People who might wish to steal data from the park include its own board (meaning the QA woman may have commandeered the woodcutter to stop Bernard and Elsie from realizing he's a spy (and note that cutting his head off would also prevent the satellite thingie from being found by Behavior, so the security guy may be in on that)). Whitehat's boss is another possibility, since he seems to be gathering info on it while considering buying into it, or maybe even taking it over. Can't really think of a third possibility, unless maybe Harris, whose original source about the Maze still hasn't been revealed.
Kind of a lame episode, eh? That was one giant, expensive, boringly irrelevant orgy dominating its middle. Seems implausible that robots can hit visitors in the face - doesn't thst reliabky lead to concussions, even death, in a small but statistically reliable number of cases? Noses smashed into brains and whatnot?
Didn't catch its title, will look into that.
I have no clue why Dolores is seeing Doloreses, or what the fortuneteller stuff was supposed to be about.
The greyhound anecdote applies to Ford himself on one level (at last achieved what he wanted but shouldn't have and this got or will get someone hurt - e.g. the conscious entity he's at last created or those it destroys). Could easily apply to a robot or more than one, though - he's programmed them to want what they can't get, and if they're taken out of their loop (greyhounds run in literal loops, after all) they may be able to - e.g. Dolores with freedom and self-discovery - and that might get someone hurt.
Bill can't connect with him, Dolores refuses to by lying, Harris tries to attack him and dismisses him as secondary. Yeah, I think the show's trying to make us feel he's up to some last scheme but that the consciousness/Arnold stuff, though maybe awakened by his reverie update, is not his doing and may in fact ruin his plans. Whereas in actuality nearly everything going on, possibly including Harris' involvement, is all part of one single, pretty much lifelong project.
