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[proximoception]

I always undercommunicate: the packages seem the same size and the noodles seem the same. The only difference is less water.

Lost:

Charlotte may be Ben's actual daughter, or at least the daughter of that woman he loved--which might explain why he raised Rousseau's daughter as his own, to replace the one he lost, just as Juliet was replacing the lost woman--Anna, wasn't it? Farraday will run into Charlotte's little girl self around the time he inspects the newly excavated initial hatch area, as shown in the first scene of the season. That's when her mother will be identified--and we may see whether she was fleeing Ben's massacre or if Ben went bad because she left. The window to Carthage (to c. 23N?) explains the style of the 4-toed statue foot, which was wearing a sandal if I'm not mistaken--a colossus was being constructed by early Jacob-worshippers. Or the island could have actually been part of the mainland, in which case the interruption may be related to the moving of the island into the Pacific. Her 'the island is death' comment feeds the Jacob = evil from the future theory. Why couldn't he help John up? Wasn't there some kind of phrase about who Jacob helps back when we glimpsed the brainwashing room on the smaller island? "God loves you like he loved Jacob" was one phrase, but there was at least one more.

Is that temple the one referred to by Ben as the place the Others should go and wait, last season? The francophone man dragged underneath it was either abandoned by the monster or had become one of Jacob's corpse-mouthpieces, a plausible interpretation given that all the bodies of people Jacob speaks through seem to have disappeared from elsewhere on the island. The monster drags them through those tunnels and into the temple. It's not guarding the temple so much as feeding it.

If Ben usurped John's position, why didn't he die? Because he wasn't the right person? And does this mean he does not in fact work for Jacob anymore, and is only pretending to as a means to get at Penelope? If so, he'll presumably make a move on Desmond soon.

Why does John have to die, again? So that he can't wreck things, like Desmond and apparently Ben now can? But what will kill him? And why was the wheel knocked loose? It was super-tight when Ben moved it. And frozen--I don't remember, was there no ice around at all tonight?

New questions: who is Farraday's father, if he doesn't get his last name from his British mother?

Miles must have been on the island for more than a few months but less than a few years, given the order in which the characters started to bleed.

They're going to have to work very hard to explain why Rousseau never remembered Jin.

Update: Ah, he dies so that Jacob can speak through him.

Update to update: But then why would he respect Jin's wishes re. Sun. Are Jacob's body-people averages of him and the persons they were when living?

Comments

[grashupfer.livejournal.com]

Widmore is Farraday's father, no? And it was Farraday's mother holding the gun on him in 1954 - very Michael J. Fox of them.

[grashupfer.livejournal.com]

Or maybe he's his own father. In a deleted scene on the DVD we'll see Farraday knock up his own mother and be his own father. Parad0x!!

[proximoception.livejournal.com]

Assumed last name then? I guess his mother could have moved to LA a long time back--but then she was in London c. 2000 to freak Desmond out.

[proximoception.livejournal.com]

Hey, maybe Richard, for further Zemeckianism.

[andalus.livejournal.com]

why did Ben take Locke's place? presumably it was to get at widmore, knock off a bit of the infrastructure, but since we're all uncertain about the reality of the reality they're occupying, was it really worth it? speaking of which, the time travel physics all point towards a single-time-line setup, the only room for parallels is maybe in the island-moving business. but presumably the island has been moved before, by Widmore (and Hawking, perhaps), so 1) what happened to those parallels and 2) how did they resolve the time-jumping issues. Note: the wheel has now been turned at two points in time, it what (correct me if i'm wrong) seem to be opposite directions. If it is necessary for two people to move the island, or stabilize it, then both Jacob and Ben are lying. Hell, everyone's lying.

[andalus.livejournal.com]

ok, Ben's going after Penny - so yes, does he even work for Jacob anymore? is the real question, which you brought up.

[grashupfer.livejournal.com]

the time travel physics all point towards a single-time-line setup...

Can you expand on this a little? It'll be interesting to see if Richard Alpert now has two copies of the compass that Locke gave him or just one. That would go a long way as a clue about what kind of time setup they're working here.

[proximoception.livejournal.com]

Are there parallels even then? When past-Desmond runs into time-traveled people they create memories in him that act as if they had always been there, yet also seem to be suddenly created (since the time-unstuck island people still bizarrely parallel both one another and the time they ought to be in?). So when Farraday met island-Desmond, 2007-ish Desmond woke up and suddenly had to find him. I guess he could have retrieved this memory randomly? But even though he was desperate on the island at the time, he wasn't nuts--presumably the excuse they'll be using for Rousseau not remembering Jin. There was no reason for him to not remember Farraday when he met him for the first time.

So it kind of sews itself shut? Desmond is able to change things to how they must have always been, whereas everyone else is stuck with how everything always will be. Or something. What are the manifold problems with this.

[andalus.livejournal.com]

the whole illusion/wrongness of off-island reality was created before the island-moving anyway, so no need for parallels at all. but why? other people have left the island before.

[proximoception.livejournal.com]

Wrongness? When?

[proximoception.livejournal.com]

It's in Jacob's interest to make them *feel* it was wrong for them to leave. Though I'm not sure it would help him to be buying and renaming boats or randomly distributing Alice and Wonderland imagery near them.

[proximoception.livejournal.com]

I wonder if it's kind of shaping up that the ending will be a nonserviam response to that of Signs--"now you are supposed to do this, and then you over there, you do that, and then she..." "No." "No." "No."