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proximoceptionCharlotte's warning implies she saw the future. No other time-unstuck person has. Or could she have been returning from a past state that somehow informed her the island was death? Hopefully Farraday didn't tell her, because that would be just annoying.
No one else has been to the future--in consciousness or actuality. Some people have seen flashes of it, but in every case they may have been manipulated by Jacob or the anti-Jacob forces. Mostly there seems to be an absolute present (the present of the characters of the show) that isn't violated. That's the spot of time that anyone can change. Which must mean that you can't go forward past it (except at 1 second per second), that it's special. So where'd that warning come from?
The time-sickness is also confusing. It may be caused by the inability of the mind to process existing in two different states at once--but the nosebleed seems to precede the memory-traumatizing flashbacks. You're already sick before your consciousness starts wandering. And why does your consciousness start wandering? It knows it ought to be elsewhere, so it looks around for where? And if it finds that you're in a moment when there's another you around it feels wrong and tries to die? But the people on the boat were not coexisting with themselves--there were no flashes, there was no evidence that the boat itself was suddenly in a different time. Their time was only unstable in relation to that of the island. No difference was perceptible. The two situations weren't analogous. The show will never address this, will it.
No one else has been to the future--in consciousness or actuality. Some people have seen flashes of it, but in every case they may have been manipulated by Jacob or the anti-Jacob forces. Mostly there seems to be an absolute present (the present of the characters of the show) that isn't violated. That's the spot of time that anyone can change. Which must mean that you can't go forward past it (except at 1 second per second), that it's special. So where'd that warning come from?
The time-sickness is also confusing. It may be caused by the inability of the mind to process existing in two different states at once--but the nosebleed seems to precede the memory-traumatizing flashbacks. You're already sick before your consciousness starts wandering. And why does your consciousness start wandering? It knows it ought to be elsewhere, so it looks around for where? And if it finds that you're in a moment when there's another you around it feels wrong and tries to die? But the people on the boat were not coexisting with themselves--there were no flashes, there was no evidence that the boat itself was suddenly in a different time. Their time was only unstable in relation to that of the island. No difference was perceptible. The two situations weren't analogous. The show will never address this, will it.
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Date: 2009-02-12 07:57 pm (UTC)Were they in the future when they found their camp ransacked and the Ajira Airlines stuff and were pursued in the paddle boats? The first time the sky turned purple, Ben and the Others inoculated Jack and Kate with something but skipped Sawyer, right? Am I recalling this correctly? And now his nose is bleeding. My problem is I have only watched every episode once, so people bring things up and I'm stunned and say, "Oh yeah. That happened."
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Date: 2009-02-12 08:10 pm (UTC)I don't remember this inoculation at all. They weren't just being sedated?
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Date: 2009-02-12 09:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-02-13 12:42 am (UTC)NB: the original time-sickness as a result of Farraday's experiments resulted in sending a conscious back through its own timeline, not whole bodies. which was happening to Desmond. no guarantees that this is the same sickness.
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Date: 2009-02-13 12:45 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-02-13 03:44 am (UTC)Effects were never their own causes in whatever distortion field the boat was in--people went crazy but events were normal. They were out of sequence with the island, maybe with the real world, but not with themselves in any perceptible way.